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Special Debate: Ahmad Shabery Cheek vs Anwar Ibrahim


Update 2: Noktah Hitam posted the videos of the debate on his blog. Please check it out. I post part 1 of 5 as a teaser for everyone ๐Ÿ˜€ Check out these bloggers for their comments on the debate: chanlilian.net,ย  KNizam, RockyBru and more blogs here.

ps: I just realised I spelled his name wrongly.. it should be Cheek instead of Chik, so amended the boo boo. Uh, there’s really a name ‘Cheek’ after all. Very cheeky..

Update 1: Astro Awani is carrying out the analysis on the debate. Very interesting. As usual they called up some ministers from both sides – Pakatan Rakyat and BN to get their comments on the debate. BN ministers never fail to amuse me, it is damn obvious the Information Minister has nothing, zilch facts when debating but still arrogantly said ‘Anwar Ibrahim has no facts, only rethorics’. Ha! Ha! Ha! You be the judge, please watch the debate video when it is out in the internet. I believe a video with complete subtitle will be out soon. Stay tune for that ๐Ÿ™‚

My lousy 2 cents on Shabery Cheek vs Anwar Ibrahim debate on Fuel Price just now. (9pm – 10pm Astro Awani and TV9 – Hari Ini Bentuk Kerajaan, Esok Turun Harga Minyak – Today Form Government, Tomorrow Reduce Fuel Price)

Shabery Cheek obviously a lousy debater. He was often beating around the bushes and not to the points or questions raised. He was too emotional in making his points and focused too much on attacking Anwar Ibrahim’s past rather than debunking the points raised by him.

1. When talking about why Anwar insists to pursue his ambition to be the Prime Minister of Malaysia in order to reduce the fuel price and why can’t it be done with him outside the government.

Anwar chuckled and said that was why he was there for the debate andย  added that he is currently not in the govennment and his future is still uncertain but he felt compelled to make his points in this debate. Anwar openly said he and Pakatan Rakyat has no problem if the current government take into consideration his idea and implements it for the good of the people, and Pakatan Rakyat will support the good move and work with the government. The only question is whether the current government is willing to work with this idea? Will BN/UMNO listen and carry it out.

Shabery Cheek, while he supposed to answer that question (we would think an honest and good government that put the people’s interest will surely consider any good idea that will benefit the people), instead attacked Anwar – relating his past with Tun Razak and Mahathir and went on his ‘syok sendiri’ (self ego masturbation) mode on how Petronas under BN/UMNO rule is the best, how people can never deny that it is BN that efficiently manages the petroleum company. Typical BN/UMNO ‘syok sendiri’ and out of reality talk. How ridiculous!

2. Anwar explained in simple term how savings can be done from revising the lop sided agreements between the government/TNB and Independent Power Providers (IPPs), savings from corruption and wastages, then lastly using some profits from the increased revenue of Petronas to help reduce the burden of the people.ย  His point is actually very simple – we need a good, wise and prudent management of government resources and efficient econonomy planning. He was entirely right when he focused his point on poor management of the country resources and wastages and trained his gun on the real cause of this whole issue – the government! The main issue is accountability and transparency of the government! Not Petronas, unlike the clueless Information Minister keep harping on!

But Shabery Cheek keep harping on why we should not use Petronas money to reduce the fuel price, comparing Venezuela, Iran and Saudi Arabia low fuel price but high inflation rate!! The guy just totally disillusioned and like I said was in his own ‘syok sendiri’ mode. To the point bro, Anwar already made a concrete stand when he said he supports Petronas and will not irresponsibly use Petronas as cash cow to solve the problem. As usual, Shabery just continued the often repeated, recycled points used by the government to justify the fuel price increase – it is a global issue, it is global issue, it is a global issue and it is a global issue. Yes that is all his points. Oh he had more points, mostly points on Anwar’s past, keep digging the dirts. Typical BN style, always resort to personal attacks when you are out of ideas. Any BN guys that can debate rationally?? Please?? Or their supporters???

3. Nordin Kardi, being a Vice Chancellor of Universiti Utara Malaysia (UUM) just made a fool of himself when he questioned Anwar’s points on IPPs agreement revision when the topic was on fuel. Then he mentioned something on why Anwar chose to talk on fuel price, saying he was fishing for popularity. Hey you dumbass maggot, IPPs are subsidized by the government to produce electricity lah!!! They get subsidized diesel to produce electricity and sell it at high price to TNB as agreed in the lop sided agreements signed during Mahathir time. Then this is a debate on fuel price, hence we talked about the price lah!!!ย  Bodoh!! Dungu! Otak kat lutut ke?? Entah macam mana ko boleh jadi Naib Chanselor UUM. Muahahahahahahahaha!

4. It is quite obvious who is the better debater, one that consistently making personal attacks and dishing out many often irrelevant, confusing and meaningless points and another one that kept his cool and explained in clear flow his proposal and future planning if he is given the chance to efficiently manage the country and subsequently reduce the fuel price. Shabery started his debate with personal attacks against Anwar where he brought up the incident when Anwar was still a student leader leading demo against Tun Razak in 1974, in the middle of the debate again brought up the incident, mentioned something about IMF and dragged Anwar’s name in it and lastly concluded his debate again with personal attacks on Anwar Ibrahim and sempat this fella said the government was being generous in allowing the debate. Bah! What a sore loser???

All said, I must commend BN government under Pak Lah for allowing this debate to be carried out. Under the rule of Mahathir this debate is almost impossible to realised. It is a start. We must have an open policy on politics, let the people make their noise heard and decide for themselves what is right and what is wrong, what is true and what is false. Our political landscape is changing and it is for better, I hope.

ps: I was distracted and quite disturbed by the foaming mouth of Shabery Cheek. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: For a while I thought he would passed out, foaming fatally because he probably realised he was making no sense in any of his points. So distracting. :!:


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45 Responses to “Special Debate: Ahmad Shabery Cheek vs Anwar Ibrahim”

  1. KNizam wrote on Jul 15, 2008 at 11:45 pm

    soalan yang tak dijawab :

    kenapa naik secara mendadak ?
    apa jadi dengan saving 2006 dulu ?

    :vangry:

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  2. Hero wrote on Jul 16, 2008 at 12:18 am

    jgn kata dia! aku sendiri pun hampir2 nak kuar buih gak pasal tgk dia kuar buih.. eee.. :mrgreen:

    nice review bongkersz! thank you for your comment earlier..

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  3. NoktahHitam wrote on Jul 16, 2008 at 1:37 am

    That’s why they made it in Malay. If it was in English, I’m very sure foreigners would be laughing sampai nangis.

    Proves a point right? Gov are dumbasses.

    Di kuar buih.. yuck! Gross babi ok. Im sure his mouth produces a foul smell. Talk about hygiene! Same macam previous mis-info minister, gigi kuning, rambut kelemumur. yuck!

    ps: Anwar was one of the legendary debater.

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  4. missedtheprogram wrote on Jul 16, 2008 at 8:32 am

    This is probably the kind of blog that is a total waste of time.
    Missed last night’s debate and wished to catch up.Stumbled upon yours as the first on the internet and checked. Sorry to say, really two cents worth,nothing informative as you were not able to articulate yourself properly and all that came out from your comments were total gibberish. My two cents’ is : If u are malay,don’t be like our other peers who are quick to criticise other people and yet don’t realize or care of your own weakness in your inability to explain yourself properly.Even your opinions are not properly worded out.Sorry; that was my two cents’ worth.

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  5. bongkersz wrote on Jul 16, 2008 at 9:08 am

    Oh, I’m very sorry you have problem understanding my poor, gibberish English ๐Ÿ™‚ Perhaps, you can share with some pointers on how to be more articulate in my writings and explain things more properly for YOU?

    I can’t really explain myself more clear to a smart man like YOU, do I? Anyway, thanks dude, I appreciate your two cents.

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  6. Hana wrote on Jul 16, 2008 at 10:09 am

    I watched the debate with my dad last night, and while I am fluent in both Malay and English, I did find that your two cents coincided with mine (including the bit about his foaming mouth – I thought this government dog was rabid ๐Ÿ˜› ).

    Your English isn’t perfect, and you weren’t covering the debate point-by-point, hence the general overview, but you did articulate some good points.

    Sebenarnya, kalau kita baca blog ini dari awal-awal lagi, boleh dikatakan bahawa kamu sedang meluahkan pandanganmu sahaja. Buat apa missedtheprogram nak kritikkannya? Bukanlah macam blog kamu ini BERTUGAS untuk memberikannya apa-apa informasi mengenai debat semalam.

    Jangan ambil hati dengan seseorang yang tak tahu nak kritik tanpa memberi alasan yang asli (sounds a bit like Shabery, don’t you think?) kerana mereka hanya nak kamu naik angin.

    Anyway, good job. Thanks for the blog. Memang useful for someone like me who wants to see the opinions of others. ๐Ÿ™‚

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  7. Amused Taxpayer wrote on Jul 16, 2008 at 10:09 am

    Shabery def side-tracked when queried about the savings from last year’s 30 sens hike, that were supposed to be pumped into public transportation…….

    And how about him missing the point made by DSAI that the key to keeping petrol price and inflation down is thru a combination of Petronas profits and proper governance….

    I’m glad that this debate was held in BM….we would have been the laughing stock if the international community understood what was being exchanged…….our Information Minister and his aide was a total embarrassment, but must give it to Shabery for having the guts to be gutted on public television.

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  8. bongkersz wrote on Jul 16, 2008 at 10:23 am

    Thanks for the comforting words Hana ๐Ÿ™‚ I am looking up the dictionary on the word ‘gibberish’ to be sure that I understand the meaning perfectly just like he did hahahahaha!

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  9. bongkersz wrote on Jul 16, 2008 at 10:26 am

    nasib benda tu tak berjangkit… kalau tak habis lah ko jadi macam tu ๐Ÿ˜›

    i must say he got balls standing up to Anwar, a well known great orator and that’s the point that the mainstream media is carrying out today. haha! they really made Shabery a hero and reported in the way that shabery who was considered the under-dog against such an experienced orator, managed to be outstanding and outshine anwar!! ๐Ÿ˜ ๐Ÿ˜

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  10. bongkersz wrote on Jul 16, 2008 at 10:28 am

    pada tahun 1974….

    saudara anwar tahun 1974…

    tun razak bla bla petronas bla bla tahun 1974…

    amendenye mamat tuh cakap?? ๐Ÿ˜€

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  11. bongkersz wrote on Jul 16, 2008 at 11:17 am

    itupun they changed the show from tv3 to tv9, if many had the chance to watch it live, punah ranaplah BN.

    itu memang criteria untuk jadi info minister kot ๐Ÿ˜

    ps: he indeed is!

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  12. Saggie wrote on Jul 16, 2008 at 11:37 am

    Missed the Program,

    Since this Blog is a waste of time for you..why don’t you go indulge yourself with The Star, NST or even better..Utusan Malaysia.

    I take it you are a staunch supporter of BN..good for you..clearly this blog is not for you then

    Ps- Was that gibberish enough for you ?

    Yours Truly
    Fat Boy

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  13. affuan wrote on Jul 16, 2008 at 11:51 am

    foaming mouth. eiii..

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  14. izma wrote on Jul 16, 2008 at 1:29 pm

    No wonder the name missedtheprogram..i think this fellow always a missing link to the outside world..
    To bongkersz, I appreciate your works..keep it up.

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  15. SINDA wrote on Jul 16, 2008 at 1:32 pm

    mulut shabery kuar buih sebab duk baca sajak A. Samad Said time dia perli anwar…

    “akan kupintal menjadi buihh…..”

    sebut lagi buih2..kan dah kena sumpahan.. mulut non stop keluar buihhhh.. yuck!

    eh.. terbuat personal attack plak.. huuhuu~ tu arr.. sape suh sakiti DSAI.. kan gua dah marahhhh… marahhhh! hoh!

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  16. angeles wrote on Jul 16, 2008 at 1:33 pm

    fuyoh… ada pengapi (flamer ๐Ÿ˜› ) di blog nie.. dah boleh jadi Femes Amos.. โžก

    the foam.. O M G … ๐Ÿ˜ฎ

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  17. bongkersz wrote on Jul 16, 2008 at 1:40 pm

    hahaha!!! sinda, you are funny..

    ‘akan ku pintal menjadi buih..’ muahahahaha! you made my day..

    yeah, melalut we also launching personal attacks on him ๐Ÿ˜› ish ish ish.. ok guys, don’t laugh at his foaming mouth.

    buih.. eh buih…

    ps: can’t help it.. the highlight of his oratory skill was his solidified entrapped saliva. :mrgreen:

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  18. bongkersz wrote on Jul 16, 2008 at 1:42 pm

    he was shooting blanks, instead of engaging the points and questions raised he went on his syok sendiri mode ๐Ÿ™„

    yes, you bet. if this was conducted in english, we shall add another information minister to be the clown of the world. hmm.. why we always have a clown to be our information minister?

    ‘gut to be gutted’ – you have ways with your words heh! :up:

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  19. bongkersz wrote on Jul 16, 2008 at 1:43 pm

    you get turned on not by that? ๐Ÿ˜› haha.. flamer datang dan pergi.. relax jer.. ๐Ÿ˜Ž

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  20. bongkersz wrote on Jul 16, 2008 at 1:44 pm

    thanks izma! have a wonderful day! :up:

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  21. angeles wrote on Jul 16, 2008 at 1:51 pm

    yuckkkkkkkkkkkkkk!!!!

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  22. angeles wrote on Jul 16, 2008 at 1:52 pm

    someone sms me last nite and said he look like bulldog ๐Ÿ˜† ๐Ÿ˜† ๐Ÿ˜†

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  23. MyDeskBlog.com wrote on Jul 16, 2008 at 1:58 pm

    He is indeed foaming at the edge of his mouth isn’t he? I though he ate a white chocolate doughnut or something in between commercials. Haha!

    I share your views on last night’s oil price debate. Shabery Cheek got his ass whooped. Period.

    Someone commented that your post is worth literally 2 cents? Hell don’t worry there are a lot of two cents all over cyberspace that adds up to a significant amount of substance.

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  24. Hero wrote on Jul 16, 2008 at 2:46 pm

    emo giler.. kadang2 biasa la blogging ni.. ada gak elemen2 yg waste of time.. tapi takkanlah sampai total waste of time.. melulu sangat tu.. ekeke.. tu pendapat yg sungguh emo tuh.. missedtheprogram tu adik beradik Mat Buih tu kot.. ahahahahah.. ๐Ÿ˜†

    eee… :mrgreen: buih di mana-mana.. eee… :mrgreen:

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  25. Sylar wrote on Jul 16, 2008 at 3:07 pm

    What kind of information minister is that. Even a 14 year old kid can give better points then that. I really hope that we have better people in the government in the future

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  26. GnomeFan wrote on Jul 16, 2008 at 4:51 pm

    LOL..
    i was also attracted by the foaming mouth of mr Cheeky..LOL

    my dad said that he was so scared until his old mouth turn foamy..LOL

    Anwar won that debate. Hands down. :up:

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  27. leem wrote on Jul 16, 2008 at 5:13 pm

    Shabery alwaz “round the bush” and his foaming…….yeekkk ๐Ÿ˜› luckily his tounge is well function :$:

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  28. jamz wrote on Jul 16, 2008 at 5:35 pm

    โžก shabery tu ckp tak guna otak kot..orang bincang pasal harge minyak dier bincang pasal masalah orang..orang cerita tentang 2008..dier cerita pasal 1974..heyy..camne ko jadi menteri haaa samdol?!!!

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  29. mapley wrote on Jul 16, 2008 at 5:43 pm

    cukup menyayat hati…memilukan,kasihan yg amat2 sangat kepada…mmm,..sapa nama mapley tu.!?aku pon tak kenal.sunguh2 aku tak kenal,
    pasai apa yg pilih mapley tu debat ngan anwar…!!!??satu perdebatan yg sangat tidak
    A D I L…seorang yg tidak setaraf dgn anwar seorg yg hebat yg tak bley dinafikan lagi…
    maleh lah nak sambung bcuz. aku simpati ngan mapley tu..

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  30. Faris wrote on Jul 16, 2008 at 6:41 pm

    Yeah Missedtheprogram,
    mesti berbuih mulut tulis Bahase Inggeris tu kan.
    tp xper , if u not enuf with it , ko bole sedut skit saliva si Shaberi tu. kitorang x kisah ! :up:

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  31. Coral wrote on Jul 16, 2008 at 10:38 pm

    I think u did great translating the gist of the debate into English for further discussion here… particularly useful for non-BM proficient people. Good Job! ๐Ÿ˜‰

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  32. bongkersz wrote on Jul 17, 2008 at 9:23 am

    susah debat dengan orang bodoh sikit.. tapi dia berani.. berani kerana bodoh. :up:

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  33. bongkersz wrote on Jul 17, 2008 at 9:25 am

    you ‘atrracted’? i was distracted and disturbed.. ๐Ÿ˜› ๐Ÿ˜› :mrgreen: people that watched the debate last night will now change their side, hopefully.

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  34. bongkersz wrote on Jul 17, 2008 at 1:38 pm

    thanks!! ๐Ÿ™‚ i do whatever i can.. to share the information. ๐Ÿ˜‰

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  35. callister wrote on Jul 17, 2008 at 1:41 pm

    ye la,xda point la 2..
    asik ulang benda sama… :down:

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  36. baracuda wrote on Jul 17, 2008 at 5:31 pm

    DSAI didn’t table a solid formula on how to get the fuel price lower than what it is now. IPP is one of the area he’ll be looking at should PR get his hand on power at but we (rakyat) know it’s not that easy.

    Did our dear Information minister better him on this area?. He should justify why there is an increase (should be easy, look at the world, it’s obvious) and why it’s on such high percentage, 40% (did he?). Where’s the fact and figures?

    The mechanism that DSAI put on the table may be weak but the way he put it make it looks convincing. What facts have our dear minister tabled to obsolete what ever it is that DSAI threw? I remember he said a few things here and there but what was it about?.

    For 50 minutes, this pattern goes on and on and at the end of the day, to me at lest, contents of the debate is not important anymore.

    Both of them failed to address it well, especially you, dear minister sir, but this debate has revealed another thing, which is the level of professionalism.

    Professionalism. And for someone who being elected as representative of rakyat to parliament obviously, our dear minister have literally humiliated the party that he represent (government) on National TV (which ironically, falls under his p.folio, Menteri Penerangan).

    Iโ€™m going to vote on the next coming opportunity. If I were to vote on two idiots, I rather put my vote to the one whom at least, can be more professional on being one.

    Ahh, that Nordin Kardi. Watching his antic that night made me remember a quote from RPK โ€œIf he is an academician, then Madonna is a virginโ€.

    Talking about how to play smart haha, the joke was on him. Does everyone who involves in counseling have this kind of antic? I remember my previous school counselor does. Hate that guy.

    And dear minister sir, personal attack is soooooo yesterday la.

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  37. Sudirman wrote on Jul 21, 2008 at 12:43 pm

    Nordin Kadi ingat dia pandai. Apa yang dia pandai hanya angkat orang UMNO, itu saja.

    Caranya tanya Anwar dan Menteri Penerangan seolah-olah dia nak menggembirakan kawan-kawannya di UMNO sahaja.

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  38. Sudirman wrote on Jul 21, 2008 at 1:10 pm

    Kalau ikut kesopanan Nordin Kadi:-

    Seolah-olah Nordin Kadi seumpama seorang yang telah diluluskan oleh UMNO sebagai penal BN akan buat serangan peribadi seboleh-bolehnya kepada DSAI, untuk mendapatkan keseronokan di kalangan kawan-kawan dalam UMNO bahawa Nordin Kadi adalah anjing UMNO yang baik.

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  39. bongkersz wrote on Jul 21, 2008 at 3:29 pm

    cara dia tanya nampak sangat mengampu, sungguh tidak malu mengaku intelektual. orang mengampu pun kenalah pandai..

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  40. Onperson wrote on Aug 19, 2008 at 6:20 pm

    DSAI did not make one concrete point on how to bring down oil prices. Although a lot of you would say that he won the debate but under what merits?
    Kalau kita cakap pasal cara bercakap memang DSAI no 1, aku rasa tak de sapa boleh challenge dia.
    Tapi isu yang pentingnya kawan2 ialah sama ada dia beri kita ulasan cara2, langkah2 untuk menurunkan harga minyak, jawapannya sama sekali tidak!

    Mungkin salah Sabrey Chik menyerang peribadi tetapi lepas DSAI cakap dia maafkan DSAI kata SC adalah dulu dari S46. DSAI pun terperangkap dengan menuduh peribadikan? Serangan peribadi DSAI pun bukan penipuan tetapi betul rasanyakan?

    Pikirlah sendiri guna akal dan ilmu.

    ๐Ÿ˜Ž

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  41. bongkersz wrote on Aug 20, 2008 at 9:13 am

    Dalam debat sebegini, cara dan bagaimana secara teliti tidak mungkin dapat dijelaskan dengan lengkap dan menyeluruh. Cukup beliau menyatakan secara ringkas bagaimana beliau bercadang untuk mengurangkan harga minyak dalam tempoh masa yang singkat diberi kepada beliau. You were following the same debate as mine? I am quite sure I heard reasonable methods to reduce oil price from DSAI and he structured his arguments well. Well, if simple things he mentioned people cannot understand, what to expect when a more comprehensive and complicate plan is to be proposed.

    Oh, itu kira serangan peribadi? Itu sindiran, langsung tidak menyerang Shabery Cheek. Agaknya anda kurang faham maksud sindiran tersebut, DSAI secara halus menyatakan, manusia akan berubah – seperti dulunya Shabery Cheek menentang BN dalam S46, sekarang beliau dalam kerajaan BN. Oleh itu, tidak perlu mengungkit perkara lampau. Penipuan atau tidak, itu anda nilai sendiri.

    Thanks for reminding me to use my brain.

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  42. bongkersz wrote on Aug 20, 2008 at 9:18 am

    Well we can’t expect him to table a solid formula in that debate and wasted the precious time given to him. I don’t expect many Malaysians will understand if a solid and comprehensive formula is presented to them. Heck, many still clueless about IPPs agreements, or what IPP is. Ask people around you and gauge the response.

    Of course it’s not easy to revise the IPP agreement, it’s a very delicate matter and one must honor the agreement made. That’s something to ponder if DSAI decides to stay true to his words.

    Nordin Kardi is a joke.

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