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Hindraf Indians playing hard to get. Hail the betrayers!


It’s by election time again! Well it is a tri-election this time – Bukit Selambau, Bukit Gantang and Batang Ai. 2 Bukit and 1 Batang. Doesn’t sound right. We have another Bukit in waiting – Bukit Lanjan. The orgy fest of the Bukits and Batang.. Ah Ah Har Har…

Few things. MSM is again, spinning for the establishment. So, let’s unspin the spin in this insignificant blog of mine.

If you read the MSM reports for the past few days, especially on Bukit Selambau by election, you may get this conclusion – Bukit Selambau Indian votes may shift because of ‘perceived’ change of Indian sentiments on the ground, reflected by the resignation by Jerai PKR division chief B. Kalaivanar and some PKR Indian leaders contesting as independents, defying the party’s rule.

Le’t start with Kalaivanar. I quote:

SUNGAI PETANI: PKR’s campaign for the Bukit Selambau state seat was dealt an early blow when more than 450 members, led by Jerai PKR division chief B. Kalaivanar, quit the party.

(Source: The Star)

The reason offered for quitting the party is typical hoollaballoo.

he and many members were disappointed and frustrated that the party leadership had ignored the voices of those who had struggled for the party.

So is that true? We shall examine closer. I tell you how to spot a liar even from far far far away.. heck I am sitting down here in Miri and the stench of his verbal diarhea is killing me. (figuratively lah!)

“While he admitted that he would like to be an elected representative for PKR, “

– Ah, got you bugger. This is the real reason why he is making all the noise.

“He also claimed that other divisions will follow but refused to name them.”

– Got you again, liar

Kalaivanar said he was motivated by a desire to defend true democracy, and would still go on campaigning during the Bukit Selambau by-election.

But when asked who he would be campaigning for, he said, “It will not be the PKR candidate, and it will not be any of the independent candidates.

– This is the real reason No. 2, he’s offering himself in a very subtle way to BN for some reasons which I will mention later in this post.

“At one time the Reformasi movement dubbed (former Prime Minister Tun Dr) Mahathir (Mohamad) the ‘firaun’ (pharaoh), but now we can see that (PKR adviser Datuk Seri) Anwar (Ibrahim) is also a pharaoh and a dictator,” he said. He was, however, unable to provide concrete incidents and examples of how Anwar had been a dictator. – Again, cheap talk.

He also accused PR of indulging in excesses and cronyism as well, claiming that there were contracts and government-linked companies now in PKR’s pocket.

When asked for proof of his claims, however, he was unable to provide any, saying instead: “I’m not delving into details today. Today, I just want to announce my quitting the party.” – Again, just cheap talk.

Kalaivanar was also asked the reason why he chose to announce his decision during the by-election campaigning period.

“I will reveal my reasons tomorrow, step by step. I am not looking for cheap publicity, because I am a seasoned politician,” the 45-year-old said.

Now, you want to know the REAL reason why this bugger bad mouthing PKR and PR government, hoohaa-ing about not being chosen as candidate?

PKR man faces cheating rap
June 11, 2008

SUNGAI PETANI: Parti Keadilan Rakyat candidate for the Gurun state seat in the last general election B. Kalaivanar was charged at the magistrate’s court yesterday with two counts of cheating involving RM3,600.

Kalaivanar, who is also Jerai PKR division chairman, claimed trial to inducing R. Patchama, 59, to hand over RM2,000 in April 2004 as payment to process an application for aid with the Social Security Organisation (Sosco).

Known as Kalai among PKR members, the 44-year-old also claimed trial to issuing a cheque for RM1,600 to Patchama on Sept 15, 2005, when he knew that there was no application for the amount with Socso. The cheque bounced.

The offences were allegedly committed at No 24, Kampung Sungai Ibur in Gurun, 20km from here.

Assistant public prosecutor Nuraswan Amuniddin proposed bail of RM4,000 in one surety for each charge.

Kalaivanar, a father of six, who was not represented, pleaded for a lower bail of between RM1,000 and RM1,500, saying that his wife was a housewife and that he worked as an activist with several non-governmental organisations.

Court Registrar V. Kanesan, sitting as magistrate, set bail at RM3,000 for each charge in one surety pending mention on July 6.

Kalaivanar posted bail, but was arrested again outside the bailiff’s office about 1pm.

It is learnt that he was detained in connection with investigations into his alleged involvement in another cheating case in Bahau, Negri Sembilan, several years ago.

Kuala Muda district police chief Assistant Commissioner Hashim Ali was not available for comment.

In the March 8 election, Kalaivanar lost to Dr Leong Yong Kong of Barisan Nasional in the Gurun state seat. He polled 7,035 votes against Dr Leong’s 8,589 votes, losing by 1,554 votes.

He also contested as a PKR candidate for the same state seat in the 2004 general election. He lost to the incumbent state MCA chairman Datuk Beh Heng Seong of BN.

Let me put this in a simple way.

1. PKR cannot choose anyone with a dubious background, what more with extra baggages like this guy. Remember what happened in Perak with Osman Jailu and Jamaluddin? This Kalai is one potential big, delicious frog.This guy would have been the worse choice ever to contest. With 2 court cases of cheating hanging over him, he would be a prime target for a ‘turnover’ like Osman and Jamaluddin.

Hey, in all coincidences (that’s how things go in Malaysia, yo! Coincidence!) this guy miraculously ‘bumped’ into Muhyiddin Yassin to congratulate him on his win in the Umno party election.

After the press conference, Kalaivanar was spotted by reporters shaking hands with newly elected Umno deputy president Tan Sri Muhyiddin Yassin at the Cinta Sayang Resort here.

2.This guy was given the chance to contest in the 2 general elections, for Gurun seat and lost! Despite that, he was made Jerai division chief by PKR and he’s not grateful at all. Bugger still has the bloody cheek to submit his name as a canditate knowing full well he has been charged in court over cheating two ladies. He could not even afford bail and asked for it to be reduced, his finances seem to be in dire straits , making him easily bought.

3. With bad past records, had he be chosen as the Selambau’s candidate you can imagine how much the BN would have a field day in attacking the integrity of the PKR candidate. Just Imagine last week he was attacking BN vehemently but later he made a 360 degree turn in attacking PKR.

That shows his lack of principle and ideology, within 24 hours he has forgotten how BN has treated his 5 brothers in Kamunting and his fellow countrymen all over Malaysia.

Next, another two clowns from PKR defying party’s rule to disallow party members to contest as independence and in the event of doing so, they risk the threat of expulsion from the party.

A. Jayagopal, 57, who is on suspension as the Pokok Sena division chief, said he was contesting because the people on the ground were unhappy with the PKR’s choice of candidate.

“We are wondering why the PKR leadership chose a young candidate with no political acumen,” said Jayagopal, who claimed to have joined the party 11 years ago.

Bugger is on suspension and still busy making noise. Manikumar is a graduate from UUM and Malaysians definitely need more educated state assemblyman and better to have a younger candidate with fresh ideas to be in politics, you idiotic old fart. What political acumen? Like Samyvellu? He’s an ‘experienced’ politicians, the joker is holding the record for the longest serving party president now.

Jayagopal and Merbok member S. Moganakumar are among the 13 independents contesting against PKR’s S. Manikumar and Barisan Nasional’s Datuk S. Ganesan.

Moganakumar, 43, said he was contesting “to save PKR actually”.

Oh my, that’s the biggest joke after Samyvellu staying on as MIC chief honcho despite his ‘rejuvenation’ exercise to the party. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Seriously, I am sick of this Indian votes, Chinese votes, Malay votes thingy. In this case, stupid morons, the so called Indians keep harping on the Indian representative. Can’t you all think as Malaysians rather than thinking of race issue?

Please bare in mind that Indians form only about 27% of the electorates. Malay voters form more than 50% of the electorates. Should the Malays start to make noise about getting a Malay candidate to represent their interests?

The point is the elected representative is going to represent the whole community not Indian alone. PKR can just grab any candidate the party thinks is suitable to represent the whole community in Bukit Selambau and it’s not necessary must be an Indian. A remark about the candidate Manikumar shows how he is a perfect candidate for a mutltiracial platform like Pakatan Rakyat.

““sounds like a Malay, brought up as an Indian and has a business mind of a Chinese.”

To me, Hindraf leaders are not the suitable candidates to be chosen for the by election, especially to stand for PR. Choosing a Hindraf candidate is not very wise due to the movement’s Hindu-only struggle, as opposed to the Pakatan Rakyat’s struggle.

And, since over 50% of the residents in Bukit Selambau are made up of Malays, it would be unwise to choose an Indian from Hindraf as many Malays are apprehensive of the movement because of the damage done by the one-sided reporting of the MSM. Cheebuy MSM!

I have no idea why these buggers are in PKR if he doesn’t support the party’s struggle to uphold justice and multiracialism. To them it’s all about ‘me, me, me, Indian, Indian, Indian’. Bodoh! Go back to MIC then!

Take a look at Kalainaver. To leave the party and attack it viciously just because he or any other candidate “endorsed” by him was not selected, proves that Kalaivanar is not a suitable candidate for any Pakatan party. When these people are not selected to contest, they start to hammer the party and sow discord within their community.

The decision by PKR  to choose a clean, unknown candidate over the experienced ones is one done with a lot of in depth thinking. It is good that the  candidate selection process is done wisely, where dubious characters were purged now rather than later. Experience has shown that voters choose the party rather than the candidate.

Voters must rise above these low class self-serving politicians from their community who are only after personal gain.

ps: Although I think PKR’s decision to choose Manikumar as its candidate for Bukit Selambau is a wise move, the same cannot be said about Batang Ai’s candidate – Jawah Gerang . Have you read this report? – Heavy irony in Batang Ai, a remote land of contrasts. How sad, but true.

pss: Very busy, making some arrangements.

psss: No, you don’t know shit about me.

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13 Responses to “Hindraf Indians playing hard to get. Hail the betrayers!”

  1. Vijay Kumar Murugavell wrote on Apr 1, 2009 at 5:42 pm

    Now I can understand if G.Sarala who is for PPP Kedah wanita chief contests as an independent, fair enough as she had made her intention known the day Arumugam packed up for Chennai,…….but the rest are a motley crew of clowns..

    For starters there are at least 3 independents who are younger than Manikumar, who is said to be too young.

    Then we have former Sungai Petani Gerakan Youth chief Tan Hock Huat, 54- no doubt doing BN,s bidding to spoil the chinese vote against PKR canditate.

    local Tamil actor R.P.S. Kalaimani, 52- trying the Ronald Reagan route.

    Quarry Operators Association president Husaini Yaacob, 44, and Malaysian India Muslim Congress (Kimma) advisor Datuk Thasleem Mohd Ibrahim, 59, both known to hob nob with the UMNO crowd.

    We even have one canditate listed as unemployed- I wonder how he came up with the deposit.

    MIC president Datuk Seri S Samy Vellu confirmed that Kalaivanar would campaign for BN’s Datuk S Ganesan in Bukit Selambau.

    SAMY VELU NOW CLAIMS HE’S A DALE CARNEGIAN

    Did you read the sidebar in the Sun, page 3 today, Samy Velu claims he’s a Dale Carnegian……..I can go into a crown and convince the Indians to vote BN bla bla bla. I laughed so hard, I cried.

    Kalaivanar was given a chance to contest in Gurun on 308 but lost, despite that he was made Jerai div chief, and he is not grateful to DSAI.

    He has the bloody cheek to submit his name as a canditate knowing full well he has been charged in court over cheating two ladies. He could not even afford bail and asked for it to be reduced, his finances seem to be in dire straits , making him easily bought.

    The fact that he contested in gurun and lost, the court case was never mentioned in the MSM that published with glee in detail him lambasting Anwar.

    Anwar would have gone thru the list of 21 canditates with a fine tooth comb. He knew he would not be picked.

    There are also some talk that during the hindraf siege of batu caves temple , He was the one who used a loudhailer to instigate the crowd to violence.

    Miraculously he” bumped “into Muhyiddin at a hotel and congratulated the latter, how covenient !

    I suspect he is just a part of MIC’s bigger ‘sting” operation,
    he mentioned that PKR are duping and playing to the feelings of the Indian community by pretending to champion the hindraf 5.
    I think they will free the hindraf 5 , just to boost their chances in bkt selambau, thus my open letter to waytha moorty

    http://margeemar.blogspot.com/2009/03/open-letter-by-vijay-kumar-murugavell.html

    Excellent summation Bong, the tri election has got me in a pissy mood which means I start writing pantun…..

    Batang Ai, Bukit Gantang & Bukit Selambau -pantun triloji

    Itik berenang dikolam bangau
    Kalaivanar buat kacau di Bukit Selambau
    lalat dan langau kena halau
    rakyat tak mungkin dipukau

    Ombak deras sukar dibendang
    Nizar menentang BN di Bukit Gantang
    Kambing hitam diherdik dan diperli
    Zambry ke hulu hilir bawak Camry

    Gajah dikenal debgan belalai
    Duit diguna pujuk pengundi Batang Ai
    Harimau dikenal dengan belang
    Pembela Dayak Jawah Gerang

    pantun/vkm/09

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  2. pilocarpine wrote on Apr 1, 2009 at 6:16 pm

    great association… btwn batang n bukit…

    sami vilu is a joker…

    kalaiV worst… by fighting for himself.. he’s actually destroying future of indian community…

    anyway.. pkr hv nothing to fear except to wrongly chosen a ‘hopping’ candidate

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  3. Malaysian Heart wrote on Apr 2, 2009 at 11:51 am

    Bukit Selambau: An Urgent Call for Calm & Understanding, and Suggestions for a Way Forward

    I’m writing this with deep concern over the Pakatan Rakyat’s prospects in the Selambau Election as well as for the future of the alternatif movement as well. Just over a month ago we were quite united, and so confident that BN could never win, even against goats & cows. Today the situation has changed dramatically, as the conflict that is apparently brewing within the AM over the choice of candidate for the Bukit Selambau by election threatens our chances there as well the achievement of our aspirations for Malaysia. I say apparently, because my only sources of information are news reports & blogs postings, some from the MSM, some from bloggers & journalists whose agendas I don’t know about. I have no way of verifying what is the real situation, & given the Standard Operating Procedures of our opponents in the past, I cannot stress enough the importance of getting to the TRUTH.

    What I find especially distressing is the tone of the anger that has been directed at Hindraf & the PKR dissenters, in the comments & reports in our blogosphere. On page after page they have had so many insults, threats & stereotypes hurled at them, it is as if BN’s propaganda in the MSM & blogs designed to demonize, demoralize & discredit them has done its job. I don‘t doubt that most of our comments have been made with good intentions & end in mind, i.e. victory for PR, and were sparked by that sense of urgency & alarm that we all feel as the elections approach. Nevertheless, I cannot but feel that such a tone is unworthy of anyone who shares in the values that I believe PR stands for.

    Have we forgotten the role that Hindraf played in making 8/3/08 possible? These are the people who, in their pain & desperation could do nothing else but put their bodies & their lives in the path of the FRU & their chemical cannons. True, dissatisfaction with BN had been growing for a long time, but for me, seeing the blood that they shed when they stood their ground & embraced the truncheon’s blows over & over again, deeply changed the way that I thought & felt about my country & myself. They led the way, they electrified us, even shamed us into action; but sadly, to this very day, they and their families still bleed for it. Some are locked away & forgotten; some prosecuted & persecuted. Many know now what it is to be without Father, Husband or Family. Some, ill, uncared for and forsaken, deteriorate day by day; and one, in exile, may never get to return home, not even to die. Then, there’s that deepest & most painful of wounds that they all bear: the subtle racism, overt ostracism & slur; a wound to which we can now safely say, we have rubbed in our own little “contribution” of salt. Whatever you or I may think about Hindraf or their apparent position on Bukit Selambau, let us agree that at the very least, we owe them our respect & gratitude.

    I’ve organised the rest of my thoughts under 4 headings:
    A. Our Current Situation
    B. What’s really at stake here
    C. Suggested Way Forward
    D. Final Thoughts

    A. Our Current Situation

    On the face of it we have Hindraf & PKR grassroots leaders are unhappy with PKR leaders’ decision to nominate S. Manikumar as PKR candidate for Bukit Selambau. Both (Hindraf & PKR) had prepared shortlists of their preferred candidates but none were chosen. Their main reasons for this unhappiness seem to be:
    ? Disappointment at not being chosen themselves, as a “reward” for past hard work
    ? Manikumar’s youth, inexperience, lack of record and not being a local, being a “crony”
    ? Not being involved in the selection process
    ? Lack of transparency in the process
    ? Disagreement with process & selection criteria itself
    ? Perceived double standards in selection
    ? Possible issues with Manikumar’s allegedly fraudulent business dealings
    ? Perception of there having been backroom deals with V. Arumugam with the involvement of DSAI’s friends (one Datuk Ravi?)

    Other longer standing grouses with PR may be:
    ? Lack of democracy in PKR & PKR Kedah, who have not held state-level elections since he joined in 2004
    ? Perception of having been deceived by false promises and lack of progress on various development issues e.g. land for schools, citizenship documents, social issues, business opportunities & training
    ? Perception of a lack of respect and appreciation

    One thing I want to note here is these reasons, with the exception of the one regarding personal disappointment, are not racist (ala ketuanan UMNO/MCA/MIC) but actually speak to root issues of common concern.

    As a result of this dissatisfaction:
    ? 3 ex PKR members are standing in Bukit Selambau as independents
    ? Hindraf is not supporting PKR’s campaign in Bukit Selambau
    ? PKR’s Jerai division has disbanded itself & Kalaivanar has thrown his support for BN
    ? Various commentators have condemned Hindraf & the PKR Kedah dissidents, with growing perception of Hindraf as an unworthy organisation with a agenda driven by racist or personal concerns

    This conflict must be seen in the context of of PR’s growing list of problems & challenges (partly self inflicted, partly BN’s doing):
    ? Abortive takeover of Parliament & our perceived loss of the moral high ground
    ? Fall of Perak and PR’s subsequent tactical errors resulting in emotionally sensitive charges of derhaka and the attendant publicity
    ? Perception amongst rakyat (not just Hindraf) that PR has not been effective & efficient, that PRU 12 promises have not been kept
    ? Various scandals (real or engineered) surrounding PR personalities, accompanied by doubt’s about integrity of PR reps
    ? Lack of a coherent common vision accompanied by bouts of discord between & within PR component parties

    Add to all that a perceived BN “resurgence” due to Mahathir’s return to a “united” UMNO, Samy Vellu’s “new mandate” at MIC, Najib’s repressive countermeasures and we may just be seeing the beginnings of a “perfect storm”.

    B. What’s really at stake here

    Superficially, at stake is the victory in Bukit Selambau as well as in Bukit Gantang & Batang Ai. However we must go below the surface, and acknowledge that even if we win all three, given the current situation as outlined above, this conflict within us will slow down the momentum of our movement, perhaps even allow BN to begin rolling back the clock to pre-PRU 12. To regain forward momentum, as well as to help build a strong foundation for our struggle, a careful consideration of the deeper root issues raised by this conflict is needed within PR. What’s really at stake here is our movement’s identity, vision, direction & indeed future viability. These issues, all which overlap with real Hindraf/PKR grouses identiified above, are:

    ? Vision & leadership
    • What is our vision for all Malaysians?
    • Is this vision a shared one? How do we create this consensus?
    • What are our strategies & policies to achieve this vision?

    ? Values, Principles & Political Culture
    • What are our values & principles?
    • Are these values & principles practiced by our current leaders at all levels?
    o Do we want feudal “warlords” as leaders who know everything & cannot be questioned & seem to seek personal interests? Are there old BN habits & paradigms that still infect us?
    • Are we open, consultative, empowering, engaging & transparent?
    • Do we play the politics of race, patronage, feudalism, cronyism & nepotism, backroom dealmaking, numbers, rewards for loyalty? In other words business as usual BN style?
    • What is the true nature of the relationship between PR & rakyat?

    ? Delivery & execution
    • How do we select & develop a truly representative cadre of leaders in such a way that no group feels left out?
    • Do we select leaders by ability, or as a reward for loyalty? Do we place unfair standards of class, formal education or wealth?
    • Is our leader selection process transparent, fair, where all have had a say in it and agreed the rules? Are there double standards?
    • How have we delivered on our promises since 8/3/08? A lot was promised.
    • Have we been fair & equitable or have we been busy fighting fires, living from crisis to crisis (some of our own making), & neglected to lead in the truest sense of the word?
    • How do we work with marginalized groups who bear the brunt of BN’s failed policies? Takeovers of Parliament & long term political goals are all well & good but what do we do to ease their suffering here & now?

    ? Communication (most of the misunderstanding is really attributable to poor communication & engagement)
    • How do we inform & educate stakeholders, understand & manage expectations, & get our message across?
    • How do we work with multiple stakeholders, with common broad goals but diverse cultures & perspectives?
    • How do we raise the level of political discourse beyond race & patronage?
    • How do we work with the various groups who are at different levels of political maturity, thanks to our political monoculture of the last 50 years?
    C. One Way Forward

    The thing to do is to sit down together & share one’s thoughts & feelings openly. The main purpose of this meeting should be to find & develop a common vision, set of values, principles and goals that we truly share. When that is done, consider & address the dissatisfaction & disagreements that have been the cause.

    I suggest that Tuan Guru Nik Aziz (probably the most respected leader in Malaysia) be the host or convenor. The leadership of both sides must come with open minds & most importantly open hearts. There can be no place for personal egos, posturing & rhetoric or trying to gain concessions ala BN’s old politics. All talks must be firmly based on mutual respect and objective truth that can be verified. If we only plaster over cracks by merely soothing tensions while ignoring the real issues, we are setting ourselves up for future disaster.

    There will not be enough time to cover every detail, but there is enough to begin to repair the relationship. It may be too late to undo some mistakes if mistakes have been made. If both sides decide that we can work together, come out of that room together & share with all of Malaysia what you have just achieved. Make it crystal clear that no effort will be spared to achieve victory, make it plain that errors have acknowledged, bonds have been mended, wrongs have been set right and changes have been committed to. Then let us each do what we do best.

    D. Final Thoughts

    To PR: Most of Hindraf’s & PKR’s grouses seem to be real & most are based on one or more of the common issues stated above. Granted, 1 or 2 personalities seem to be pushing for personal gain & “reward”, but once the underlying grouses are addressed, those with personal interests in mind will be clearly identifiable & obvious to all. I disagree with Neil Khor & others who say that Hindraf has a “radical race based agenda” and I do not believe that there is any fundamental unbridgeable ideological difference between PR & Hindraf. With their leaders behind bars & the perception that we have forsaken them, what we are seeing is not a racial agenda ala UMNO/MCA/MIC but frustration over the issues raised, coupled with the vestiges of BN thinking & political paradigm. As I said before, old habits die hard. The right question to ask is how do we engage them? Let us start by acknowledging that some of us have been treating Hindraf as the Greeks treated Philoctetes, good enough to fight for us but not good enough to be in our company & to engage with fully. The day we start ignoring constitutents, we will start becoming BN, & hoping to win based on a “we are not BN” platform won’t work. BN bloggers are already proudly claiming that PR the same as BN. However, under no circumstances must you compromise your non-sectarian agenda.

    To Hindraf & PKR dissidents: I won’t pretend that I understand the depth of your pain. But I will say this: the Chinese have a saying: “tong zhou gong ji” which means “when people are in the same boat, they should help each other”. Right now, except for the BNputras & their cronies, we are all in the same boat, and our boat is now leaking. If we do not help each other now, we will all sink together. So in this emergency with 8 days left it’s time to get our boat safely across. True, your community has been marginalized by BN and I won’t try to lessen or underestimate your suffering, but you must acknowledge that you are not the only one in pain. Poor Malays & orang asli still face conditions just as bad. I’m not asking you to sacrifice your principles or tolerate unfair dealing from anyone, PR included. Ask the tough questions and hold PR accountable for whatever they have promised. But at the same time be prepared to honestly reexamine Hindraf’s struggle. Do not be chained to old BN ways of thinking, and do not be afraid to think out of the box. Please take the opportunity to make your voice heard. The overwhelming perception out there is that some amongst you are seeking personal position or that you are only fighting for a narrow racist agenda. This is a golden opportunity to set the record straight. Supporting BN now will only harden & solidify the this negative perception.

    Make no mistake, a vote for any of the independents or a even spoilt vote will be a vote for BN. It would be a real loss for all if people who have the same overall goals fail to work tohgether & hand victory to those who have been oppresing all of us these many years. And while you are considering your next course of action, do be aware of those in your midst whose may not have your best interests at heart.

    May I also humbly remind you of Waythamoorthy’s words, that I believe ring so true today: “Many see Hindraf as an opportunity to gain leverage and dictate their own benefits. This is totally against our principles. Hindraf is you and me who are battling a war for better policies and governance for the Malaysian Indian as a society with equal and fair treatment as opposed to individual glamour and glory.”

    To both PR & Hindraf: Don’t let BN exploit this division by spreading more lies & confusion. Their MSM & blogs have already begun. We only help BN more when the tone of our discourse deteriorate to the level of provocations, threats & insults. To see that happen will be BN’s ultimate victory.

    Let me be very clear – I voted for PR not to see 1 BN replaced by another. I did not vote for PR for special treatment for myself, my family or my race. I did not vote for PR to be their crony. I voted for PR for an end to corruption, cronyism, imbalanced development, mismanagement of national resources, authoritarianism, intitutionalised & societal racism. But I want a government that is more than just a mere negation of BN or “the lesser of 2 evils”. I want a government that is responsive, tolerant, respects the rakyat, transparent, fair & equitable, that promotes individual freedom & human rights. I strongly believe that these are the common bonds that unite us. Let us show that we can overcome conflicts, rediscover what really holds us together & emerge victorious together.

    Lest we lose hope in our struggle, let us remember that in politics, conflict among partners is common, due to the political culture that is dominant. We need a new political culture & after 50 years, old habits die hard. Ever since 8/3/08 we have had to undergo a steep learning curve, and we cannot expect too much in 1 year & must not delude ourselves that all our leaders are all angels who will know instinctively what we the rakyat want. It is up to all of us to ensure that our leaders know what we want & to keep them on the straight path.

    Now, what can we do as individuals about this. Consider carefully what is right, then communicate it to your family, friends, leaders. Get involved, for our future, the future of our country is too important to be left to chance, to in the hands of politicians.

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  4. Vijay Kumar Murugavell wrote on Apr 2, 2009 at 8:25 pm

    Bukit Selambau :Lets unite on the issues

    I share the concern of some citizens regarding the recent rifts between Pakatan supporters and HINDRAF, there is a barrage of information that sometimes can be confusing,but we must decipher all these by looking at it objectively.

    HINDRAF

    Before we seek to be understood we must first seek to understand – where is “the tone of the anger that has been directed at Hindraf & the PKR dissenters” coming from ?

    Mainly this vitriol is because some PKR members affiliated to HINDRAF are apparently willing to scuttle a win for PKR candidate S. Manikumar because some have personal agenda’s against DSAI.

    As it is Pakatan supporters are frustrated at the way in which a BN still sulking over the loss of its two thirds majority in parliament has been lashing out at Pakatan ruled states by withholding funds, selective prosecution of activists and Pakatan leaders, unconstitutional power grab in Perak, banning opposition newsletters, frivolous ISA detentions – just to name a few.

    Despite having the odds stacked against them the Pakatan government prevailed and won the by elections in Permatang Pauh and Kuala Terengganu erasing BN’s perfect record in winning by-elections.

    When you are having your plate full fending of attacks from your opponent, the last thing you want is those you consider allies joining forces with the other side to attack you.This is exactly how Pakatan supporters who are tired of BN’s divide and rule policy see HINDRAF, as opportunists holding Pakatan to ransom by making ethno centric demands.

    Respect and gratitude is a two way street, thus HINDRAF cannot demand it. Agreed HINDRAF played a role in the 308 tsunami but to
    claim sole credit is stretching the truth a bit too far, countless other factors and dynamics were involved.

    You lose the moral high ground when you condemn UMNO of looking through a racist prism but you yourself do the same. Hindraf supremo Waytha Moorthy seems to realise this, hence his recent letter to free ALL ISA detainee’s as opposed to previous appeals for only the Hindraf 5.

    HINDRAF should remain a pressure group to champion issue’s affecting Hindu rights and issues unique to the community, but when they expect to be consulted as to the selection of candidates they have overreached themselves. Just as NGO’s like ABIM (Angkatan Belia Islam Malaysia) do not dictate to UMNO their choice of candidates.That is the prerogative of political leaders as they have to take into account considerations far outside the scope of NGO’s.

    Kalainavar & Samy Velu

    It was reported that Anwar had to go through a list of 21 potential candidates for vetting, ironically Kalainavar who lost his bid for the Gurun seat and was charged in court for 2 counts of cheating in June last year, yet offered himself as a candidate, was he actually expecting to be picked ?

    This together with the fact that Samy Velu publicly announcing that Kalainavar will campaign for the BN candidate is highly suspicious.
    Has he forgotten that when Hindraf leaders were arrested Samy became UMNO’s lackey when he agreed that they had links to the Tamil Tigers, until his lies were exposed on NDTV India, the interview is in the following link, see how he squirms and evades the issue,
    The mainstream media of course kept this info from the Malaysian public.

    http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/story.aspx?id=NEWEN20080037517&ch=1/2/2008

    Now Samy Velu claims evidence of his efforts to free the Hindraf 5 was the 3 letters he wrote asking for their release, this was of course
    after MIC got a trouncing on 308, before that he claimed that they were a minority of miscreants and irrelevant.

    HINDRAF also holds the dubious record of being the only unregistered organization that has been “banned”, it was never registered with ROS.
    Its akin to a person filing for divorce although they had never been married.

    When the government symbolically “banned” HINDRAF Samy Vellu the leader of Malaysian Indian Congress, who is a member of the ruling alliance stated that the ban would not lead to any political vacuum on the ethnic scene.

    Coincidentally Kalainavar also bumped into UMNO Deputy President Muhyiddin Yassin and congratulated him on his recent victory of being elected UMNO Deputy President.

    I wonder if Kalai remembers what Muhyiddin said about his movements leader when HINDRAF was in its infancy ?

    He said : “if Malaysia had treated the Indian community unfairly, as claimed by the organisers of the Hindraf demonstration, the group leader would not have obtained a good education and become a lawyer…”

    It was published in the The Star http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2007/11/26/nation/19575426&sec=nation

    National TV and the MSM gave coverage of Kalai slamming Anwar, see this link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMfxLNeIm74 but his grouses and intentions raise many questions especially the timing that coincides with the by-election.

    The fact that HINDRAF did not distance themselves from the likes of such a shady character was seen by others as tacit approval of his actions.

    MIC

    MIC failed miserably to look into the welfare, when people had enough HINDRAF came to the fore and MIC was trounced on GE12. The communities share of the economic pie is miniscule about 2% -half of that belonging to Ananda Krishnan.

    Whenever asked what he had done for the Indian community, Samy would rattle off the latest number of tamil schools and temples built,
    these causes do nothing to improve the community economically, and I am afraid HINDRAF is also giving too much importance to these 2 issues.

    There is not much difference between UMNOputras and MIC putras. Both are corrupted and only look after their cronies.

    This made the downtrodden Indians flock to IPF, Samy Velu blocked IPF’s entry into BN. Its Samy Velu’s arrogance against the community and his impotence in standing up to UMNO, that incepted HINDRAF with their “Makkal Sakhti” battle cry, which came to public notice on November 25th 2007.

    Anwar Ibrahim

    Anwar Ibrahim has been called many names, among which that he is an untrustworthy person with the gift of playing political spin in his favor. However, what many people fail to see is that Anwar has managed to accomplish the Herculean task that no one before this has been able to do which is to unite the opposition parties with diverse ideologies into an alliance that subscribes to justice, equality and a quest to end corrupt practices.

    This is not very different from Pak Lah’s pledges of revamping the judiciary, stamping out corruption and being a prime minister for all Malaysians. This inspired Malaysians so much that we gave BN a huge mandate in 2004. What Pak Lah did with that mandate is now water under the bridge but it is widely acknowledged that he failed.

    It just goes to show that the people have been consistent in wanting good governance and are willing to give the mandate to anyone who can deliver. Anwar recognized the sentiments on the ground well and in the March 8 elections, led a coalition towards a common goal, denying the BN two-thirds majority in parliament.This was accomplished despite much slack from nay sayers. On top of that an unprecedented five states fell to the opposition.

    The “Independent” candidates.

    The others who offered themselves as independents also raise much suspicion.

    Now, I can understand if G.Sarala who is former PPP Kedah wanita chief contests as an independent, fair enough as she had made her intention known the day Arumugam packed up but the rest come across as a motley crew of clowns.

    For starters there are at least 3 independents who are younger than Manikumar, who is said to be too young. Then we have former Sungai Petani Gerakan Youth chief Tan Hock Huat, 54- likely doing BN’s bidding to spoil the Chinese vote against PKR canditate. Local Tamil actor R.P.S. Kalaimani, 52- trying the Ronald Reagan route.

    Quarry Operators Association president Husaini Yaacob, 44, and Malaysian India Muslim Congress (Kimma) advisor Datuk Thasleem Mohd Ibrahim, 59, both known to hob nob with the UMNO crowd.

    We even have one canditate listed as unemployed- I wonder how he came up with the deposit.

    Divide and rule

    Politicians used the race platform because it appeals to our basest herd mentality. You cannot fight racial polarization using the race card as a platform.

    Frankly ,I too am tired of some Indian’s whining about ethno centric issues and letting the title “Kingmaker” go to their heads. There isn’t a single Indian majority constituency in the country, out of 500 plus constituencies in the country only about 21 fall into the category where Indian voters are a deciding factor or tipping point and that too is highly subjective.

    The colonial masters are long gone and Tun Sambanthan is long dead, but the Indians in Malaysia continued to give BN and by extension UMNO a huge mandate until March 08,2008 when the tides turned.

    The last General election shows that race base politics are on the way out, that is why subversives have been playing on the emotions of HINDRAF supporters to alienate them from the Multiracial Pakatan coalition- its typical BN style isolate and neutralize. That is why many well meaning citizens myself included are appealing to them that they have a better chance voicing their concerns collectively at joint protests than trying to go it alone.

    Even MCA who claim to champion the Chinese community whose population is triple that of the Indian community failed to mitigate UMNO hegemony, what more can a community smaller in demographic numbers hope to achieve in partnership with MIC ?

    What we can achieve with the current model is not racial unity but mere racial tolerance; tolerance has boundaries and when they are breached can turn ugly.

    Conclusion

    Most problems have two dimensions-causal and symptomatic.The causes are multiple and ingrained thus the ugly symptoms.

    Both need treatment. To treat the cause BN has to be removed from power, the only other viable alternative at the moment is Pakatan, they need our undivided support, not chicken little’s crying ” oh Pakatan leaders will marginalize Indians too”.

    Put them into power in the Federal government then take them to task if they don’t deliver.

    There is a big difference ruling a few states and ruling at the federal level, specifically the purse strings, Penang for instance remits more than RM 5bil in federal taxes, but are given development funds that are pathetically not even one fifth of that.

    If various groups jostle and bandy about political bargaining chips when Pakatan are already having their handful with BN dirty tactics
    it is going to make their jobs even more difficult.

    Did Hindraf strongly condemn the Penan being marginalized for example? No. Why ? because they were not Indian? This country has much to learn about being unified on basic issues, Hindraf included.

    A good start would be to support or convince voters to support PKR Bukit Selambau canditate S.Manikumar in the upcoming by-elections.

    Vijay Kumar Murugavell

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  5. Malaysian Heart wrote on Apr 8, 2009 at 8:55 pm

    Dear Vijay,

    I agree with a lot of what you have said, but would like to highlight some points from your letter for discussion. I have organized them as follows:

    A. The nature of Hindraf & its constituents

    You have mentioned or alluded to many of the behaviours & attitudes that Hindraf & its members exhibit, & indeed a lot of the criticism being sent their way is based on general perceptions of their mindset & actions, which tend to evoke emotional responses ranging from mild annoyance to outright disgust. Let us look at the causes. Where do these silly, regressive, self-defeating behaviours arise from? There are so many theories out there, ranging from poor upbringing, low intelligence, inferior culture, no “X” factor (ala LKY), to even too much parpukari. Others might even blame defective genes (as Mahathir partly did for Malaysian Malays’ economic backwardness in his Malay Dilemma).

    IMHO, these behaviours strongly correspond to the “distress pattern” behaviours of people who have been oppressed. I have not come across a more accurate or useful explanation of Hindraf’s behaviours than the one afforded by class analysis & socio-political development theory. Take a look at this page (http://www.spectacle.org/0802/hogan.html), and in the second section under the heading “Ways Oppressed People Suck”, you will find the most uncanny, true-to-life portrait of Hindraf, down to its most annoying quirks. You will even find a thumbnail sketch of some of Hindraf’s detractors, especially those who have internalized their oppression. However, what knocked me off my chair was seeing, in paragraph 20 of the same section, our friend Kalaivanar, complete with 70’s style sideburns, eyeliner and shaved eyebrows, peeking out from between the lines, in the company of some other crooks.

    As a comparison, we will also find similar behaviours & attitudes in oppressed groups all over the world; poor African-Americans, Australian Aborigines, Palestinians and the Roma (Gypsies) in Europe, and often this will be recycled into stereotypes that will be used to further oppress them.

    Coming back to Hindraf, it truly vexes my superior, English speaking intellect that I cannot swoop down from my perch in the heavens & save them. How I would just love to grab them by their collective shoulders & shake some sense into them, or tell them to buck up, get back to work, get their s–t together, wake up & smell the Starbucks, or so on and so forth ad nauseam. Sadly for me, telling them what to do for their own good simply won’t work. Only they can save themselves, beginning with critical consciousness, and they need to be in the driver’s seat of their liberation.

    Seen in this light, what can we do? Well, we can support them while they do it. And we can start by engaging them & listening proactively as they find their voice. What might this look like? Practically, this could have meant that, when they brought us a tainted sandwich before the elections (Kalaivanar & his ilk between slices of pertinent issues), we could have taken it apart, gingerly removed & discarded Kalaivanar while showing everyone what a rotten piece of baloney he was, then carefully chewed & ingested the pertinent issues (tough, I know, but very nutritious for PR).

    One more way we could support them is by remembering that their oppression makes it easier for us to hate them and by consciously ending the oppression, subtle or not, that manifests itself in so many forms.

    And no, it’s not going to disappear miraculously the day Anwar Ibrahim steps into Seri Perdana as PM.

    One last thing about Hindraf that we should take note of: for all their race based pleading & posturing, they have not once crossed the red line; that of claiming supremacy, requiring special rights over that of others or requiring that the rights of others be curtailed. This makes it patently unfair to lump them in with those who do. They will in all probability happily fight for those same rights for all Malaysians, provided we can build a compelling enough vision for them to share in. This makes them a natural potential ally for any group who fights for equal rights for all. But we must realize that, if our end in mind is to support Hindraf & their members & to gain their support for our cause, all our vitriol & indignation, however well understood or righteous, will not take us one step closer to it.

    B. Malaysian Democracy, where is it going?

    This second part is not about Hindraf anymore, but about Pakatan Rakyat & our role in forming a “more perfect union” in Malaysia. At the root of it is this question: How would we define the Malaysia that we desire for ourselves?

    My own “model” looks something like this:
    > A fully functional democracy & civic society.
    > Government and national leaders as servants of the people in its truest sense of the word.
    > Individual rights & freedoms respected, diversity in all forms valued & welcomed
    > Citizens, either individually or collectively, politically engaged.
    > Malaysians free from race bound thinking
    > People’s agenda & needs come first
    > Balanced development, social justice
    > Sound leadership at all levels – national, state, local govt.
    > True separation of powers
    • Judiciary above reproach
    • Truly independent Parliament, not mere rubber stamp
    > Government transparency, accountability & responsiveness

    How might this look like in practice? Governance will not be left to government alone. Citizens will not only seek, but demand that they be consulted on major decisions. Individuals & groups will demand accountability from their government. Politics is no longer a dirty word or the exclusive domain of politicians only. To politicize something will no longer mean to use an issue for personal gain, but to raise an issue for full enlightened discussion before collective decision making, not behind closed doors, but in the bright light of day.

    Yes, it will be noisy, raucous even. Diverse groups will bandy about their own manifestos for the common good & they will jostle with other groups for influence & mindshare. But this noise of the marketplace is infinitely more desirable to the dead silence of the temple, where only high priests may enter. It will also be necessary, since to know what the rakyat’s agenda is, leaders will need to be in constant engagement & dialogue. Leaders do not get a blank cheque once every 5 years, and the only decision that is the sole discretion or prerogative of a single leader is when to resign.

    No blind loyalty to any party or leader. No cult of personality and no unrealistic belief that leaders are angels who know better what’s good for the rakyat. No political party would ever dare presume to demand loyalty or obeisance from the rakyat, and if there is to be any vitriol at all to be had, it will be from citizens towards the government and not the other way around.

    Finally, no more trips to Disneyland, and the PM rides the bus to work :-).

    Wouldn’t this make the jobs of our leaders more difficult? Wouldn’t this make government’s plate full? You betcha, but that’s the price of leadership.

    The next question is, “How ready is Pakatan Rakyat to deliver this? Some issues:

    Firstly let’s consider DSAI himself. True, he has been the unifying factor in getting PAS, PKR & DAP as well as the other groups to work together. His image and political persona as well as the sympathy he gets for having been the target of Mahathir’s frame-up gives him a store of political capital. Indeed, he was the only one who could have so brilliantly enunciated the concept of “Ketuanan Rakyat”. However, this is no substitute for substance, and his penchant for political grandstanding can seriously damage the credibility of PR, especially when the hype exceeds the delivery. Malaysians instinctively distrust the big-headed, the over ambitious, the arrogant & the boastful show-offs. It would be a disaster if he turned out to be too much of a politician to be a good leader. My thoughts: DSAI needs to work on delivering substance, building a compelling vision and avoiding errors; his political skills impress but he is not the Second Coming.

    Secondly, let’s look at PR’s mandate from PRU-12. PRU-12 was indeed a perfect tsunami, but it would be a mistake to assume that we will automatically see a repeat performance for PRU-13. True, more voted for PR out of opposition to BN’s policies & practices, but large numbers also voted in protest of higher prices, deteriorating living standards and other bread & butter issues, not to mention the internal disunity in BN component parties. There is nothing to stop these voters from returning to BN if they manage to stabilise the economy & create some semblance of unity within BN; unless PR creates a true alternative vision for Malaysia that all Malaysians can unite behind. This PR has not done convincingly yet. BN may still use our tactical errors to begin rolling back the gains of PRU-12. Serious potential gaps in the ideologies of PR parties exist and we cannot rely on DSAI’s personality alone or a string of by-election victories to keep things together. My thoughts: From now until PRU-13, creating & sharing this vision & how it will be realised for all is job no. 1 for PR.

    I can appreciate that given the current state of affairs, our leaders are pre-occupied with various issues. However, when PR finally forms the next government, the problems that the rakyat face will still be there, and BN is not going to disappear into thin air. Our plates will still be full, even fuller than they are now. So if we really believe in participatory democracy, if we really believe in “Ketuanan Rakyat”, then perhaps we had better begin practicing it from today, instead of waiting for the day after PRU-13. Is this crossing the bridge too early? I don’t think so – develop good habits now, show the rakyat we practice what we preach & prepare ourselves for victory in PRU-13.

    Sincerely,
    Malaysian Heart

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  6. bongkersz wrote on Apr 9, 2009 at 9:54 am

    I am glad we are having this kind discussion going on among us. :up:

    Citizens will not only seek, but demand that they be consulted on major decisions. Individuals & groups will demand accountability from their government. Politics is no longer a dirty word or the exclusive domain of politicians only.

    –> Let’s start this by fixing the very basis thing that forms a nation – Education. Fix that, and we are on the right track to success.

    No blind loyalty to any party or leader. No cult of personality and no unrealistic belief that leaders are angels who know better what’s good for the rakyat. No political party would ever dare presume to demand loyalty or obeisance from the rakyat, and if there is to be any vitriol at all to be had, it will be from citizens towards the government and not the other way around.

    –> We should support the cause, not the personality. Always champion the cause. I wrote this in a reply to a comment in another entry – Najib Tun Razak, a true Mahathirist! :

    I am not a fan of Anwar. I am disgusted with his ‘yet to materialise Sept 16th’ candy. I’m not anyone’s fan. Sorry, I’m not crazy over personalities. Personalities dies, they get old and stupid, sometimes ‘nyanyuk’ just like your idol, Mahathir. I support cause. Idiots worship idols.

    We should not be crazy over personalities. Support the cause.

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  7. Vijay Kumar Murugavell wrote on Apr 10, 2009 at 2:07 pm

    Dear Malaysian Heart,

    Thank you very much to take the time to pen your thoughts. You are correct to note that oppressed or marginalized people are likely to lash out in ways society at large considers unacceptable.

    Stereotypes exist in any society and ours is no exception, they are a general perception of how a certain group of people behave and often times even the Pollyanna’s among us get irritated that there is some truth in them while the Cassandra’s shrug it off as a predisposed condition.

    While such behavior is just a symptom of an underlying cause I believe that it sometimes becomes a self fulfilling prophecy, motivational guru’s like Zig Ziglar will tell you that if you survey the prison population, a large percentage of inmates have at some time or other in their lives been told “boy, you will one day end up in jail.

    Others like Bob Proctor use the phrase “Think you can, think you can’t – either way you would be right”.

    I also understand that if we endeavor to change mindsets we must first empathize and understand the root cause of these attitudes.
    Having said that people will listen to constructive critique if they know your intentions are in their best interest. I most certainly agree with you that

    Quote “for all their race based pleading & posturing, they have not once crossed the red line; that of claiming supremacy, requiring special rights over that of others or requiring that the rights of others be curtailed”

    But they are only playing into the hands of UMNO who will react disproportionately who will goad them and test their patience and before you know it there will be mayhem and blurred lines.

    These are actions of people who have lost hope, we must give them hope, while its true that one cannot live on hope alone but without hope we will live life in a regressive and some times self destructive manner- as they say when they is hope for the future there is power in the present.

    I have written before hoping to appeal to the peacemakers and highlighted the pitfalls of race based politics- it was published in the Sun: We need more peacemakers http://www.sun2surf.com/article.cfm?id=30318

    I agree with you that as you put it ” they need to be in the driver’s seat of their liberation” but first they must be taught how to drive otherwise they will crash.

    I have interacted with some of them at ground level, even campaigned alongside them in GE12.

    I also have interacted with quite a few Hindraf members who send me email, some of them very heartfelt, some Pro-Hindraf blogs even carry my articles, yet others chastise me for being too general and to write more on issues that ail the community, I patiently and politely explained that I am Malaysian first and foremost, my ethnicity being only incidental.

    My thoughts on Hindraf is at this link http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=6778953884&topic=6853.

    60% of my friends think I am Hindraf activist
    50% of my freethinking friends think I am a PAS sympathizer
    40% of my non Malay friends think that I am a Malay apologist
    30% of my Malay friends are surprised that I have a better command of the national language than them.
    20% of foreigners ask me if I am a local the first time we meet
    10% of my Indian friends think that I should write more on what ails the Indian community.

    I of course do not agree with any of above perceptions, but people will always see others through their own biased prisms. I cringe everytime my countrymen bicker over racial issues. Sometimes I go and check the calendar to make sure its 2009 and not 1969.

    I agree wholeheartedly with you that citizens should be consulted on major policy decisions but for that you will need a large pool of citizens who are well informed on the structure of those policies and their repercussions, at the moment we even have elected representatives who have scant knowledge with regards to the spirit and intent of the Federal Constitution, what more ordinary citizens, cases in point the two articles below :-

    1) According to the constitution http://malaysianpolitics.wordpress.com/2008/07/11/according-to-the-constitution/

    2) Nothing in constitution about road names http://www1.malaysiakini.com/letters/86746

    First we must allow freedom of speech to proliferate to open up creativity and learning before we can have meaningful citizens referendum on policy matters.

    Just go to any online socio political blog and you will notice that many of the commentators miss the point by a mile, and these mind you are those who are exposed to alternative media and information.
    This is not surprising in a system where critical thinking has been suppressed.

    Referendums are done when the democratic system is not responding effectively to the needs and desires of the people, ours is a quasi democracy, so in my opinion we need the system to be changed, liberalized and assessed before considering referendums as a tool.

    Another key issue is education :

    For their primary education:

    94% of Chinese attend a Chinese vernacular school .

    About 75% of Indians attend a Tamil vernacular school

    99% of Malays attend a national school.

    At a tender age they are already segregated, then we wonder why there is racial polarization. To those who cling to vernacular schools – they do not understand that this madness was borne out of the May 1969 Riots, an act of parliament in 1970 even declared it a sensitive subject.

    I am not surprised that MCA , MIC and even UMNO will make a big hue and cry , because as race based parties their survival is tied to these.
    The demise of vernacular schools will be the demise of race based parties- and they know it hence the uproar about abolishing vernacular schools.

    Nobel laureate Rabindranath Tagore once said “To build a nation, you must first build a school”.

    I have no delusions whatsoever that Anwar Ibrahim has a magic wand to all our predicaments that he can wave from Putrajaya, even now I critisize some of his actions, my friend Bong sums up our petty politicians succinctly in this post http://bongkersz.com/verdict-the-smallness-of-our-politics/ you will see that neither Bong nor me
    are Anwarista’s. Its about issues not personalities.

    It would however be unfair to hold an opposition leader to the same standards we hold a ruling government who have all the federal resources at their disposal.

    I also have no delusions that corruption will disappear the day Pakatan forms the federal government, the important thing is how will they deal with it?

    Punish those who are guilty ? Or protect cronies and sweep things under the carpet as currently practiced ?

    Would they dare do the latter after peoples power toppled the mighty BN ? not likely.

    They will have their work cut out for them cleaning up more than five decades of dirt and grime.

    Pakatan has already shown some good progress notably eradication of hardcore poverty in Penang and Selangor office bearers publicly declaring their assets, and in states ruled by this coalition they have changed some things that the ruling BN did not have the political will to do for decades albeit within limitations.

    We must support them as long as there is steady progress and not fall for BN’s propoganda of comparing a five decade old government to one that is “setahun jagung”.

    In my opinion BN has not changed that much, we get the perception that it has worsened because for the first time we have a powerful opposition in parliament who are constantly exposing their follies. BN’s propoganda machine was not prepared for such an onslaught more so aided by the internet which is virtually impossible to censor.

    We do not know how many scandals were actually hidden from the public in the past when these two elements were not present.

    All the points in your “model” wish list is what most of us want, except for the UMNOputra’s of course who have an entitlement mentality
    that they should get all the choice cuts even at the expense of the Malays that they pretend to protect, what more others who they term as “pendatang”.

    Many like me see DSAI and the Pakatan coalition as a viable catalyst to dislodge the root cause – The BN government.

    This country has been on a divide and rule model that was successfully used by our colonial masters and adopted by BN to this day, the root cause has to be removed , but as you say miracles will not happen overnight – soothing balm needs to be applied to the wounds or symptoms, the root cause removed and the nation allowed to heal (just as a patient cannot jump out of the hospital the very next day after major surgery) only then can the Zaid Ibrahim’s , Tengku Razaleighs and countless others with the sincere intent of forging a truly unified Malaysia can be empowered.

    All of us need to play a role including concerned and informed citizens like yourself.

    Makkal Sakhti !

    Vijay Kumar Murugavell

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  8. naragan wrote on Apr 12, 2009 at 7:48 am

    Quote”You lose the moral high ground when you condemn UMNO of looking through a racist prism but you yourself do the same. Hindraf supremo Waytha Moorthy seems to realise this, hence his recent letter to free ALL ISA detainee’s as opposed to previous appeals for only the Hindraf 5.Unquote..you said.

    Racism if you truly understand it is a philosophical base for an exploitative system.If you raise issues that relate to a particular ethnic group because of its peculiar circumstances that does not constitute racism my friend.

    The UMNO racist ideology has crept thick into uour psyche my dear friend. It is so pathetic, they way you grovel for being born an Indian.

    I would like to see you publish all of that in your site.

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  9. Vijay Kumar Murugavell wrote on Apr 14, 2009 at 9:31 am

    The link below is a good read , that echo’s what I am trying to put forward from a different angle

    http://cruzinthots.blogspot.com:80/2008/11/ignorance-freedom-chaos.html

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  10. bongkersz wrote on Apr 14, 2009 at 9:56 am

    Again, the author echoes the often repeated point – Education.

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  11. Vijay Kumar Murugavell wrote on Apr 14, 2009 at 9:58 am

    Naragan quoted-

    Racism if you truly understand it is a philosophical base for an exploitative system.If you raise issues that relate to a particular ethnic group because of its peculiar circumstances that does not constitute racism my friend.

    The UMNO racist ideology has crept thick into uour psyche my dear friend. It is so pathetic, they way you grovel for being born an Indian.
    I would like to see you publish all of that in your site.

    ********************************

    Different folk would define racism differently, what with all its synonyms and antonyms, I simply define it as follows :-

    “The errornous belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.”

    None of us chose our parents, so there is no logic in feeling any pride or accoplishment by being born into any ethnic line, UMNOputras perpetuate this myth, including falsifying historical accounts to wrest political control and using their absolute numbers to intimidate,
    even that is not proving as effective as it used to be, they too will tell you that they are fighting for issues that are “unique to their ethnic group”

    ASo where will all this stop, eventually it will not be about universal values but about jungle law “might is right.”

    This has prevailed without any resolution, the only way to win is not more race based strategies whether offensive or defensive, the game plan must be changed and that is using a multiracial or cause based and not an ethnic outlook, be part of the cause not the problem.

    Read carefully again what I wrote because I dont think you have understoood it, you come across to me as not really wanting to discuss issues but bandying about a few superficial generalizations and challenging the blog owner to publish them, I sent you the link in MT to this blog for meaningful discourse.

    As for your statement concerning me “The UMNO racist ideology has crept thick into your psyche ” and “they way you grovel for being born an Indian” I will not even dignify that with an answer.

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  12. Vijay Kumar Murugavell wrote on Apr 16, 2009 at 6:05 pm

    http://margeemar.blogspot.com/2009/04/where-is-malaysia-headed-discussion.html

    comments:

    hiroshi yama said…

    TO MURUGAVELL

    Another key issue is education :

    For their primary education
    94% of Chinese attend a Chinese vernacular school .
    About 75% of Indians attend a Tamil vernacular school
    99% of Malays attend a national school.

    At a tender age they are already segregated, then we wonder why there is racial polarization. To those who cling to vernacular schools – they do not understand that this madness was borne out of the May 1969 Riots, an act of parliament in 1970 even declared it a sensitive subject…..

    It is got nothing to do with Vernacular school!?

    Bullshit, all the separation between races is started because of emphasises on religion. When mahathir uses religion to get support for himself, little he realise the religion has brought a mentality among muslim that they are above others and other are kafir ( for that matter even one minister have said indian are born from the shit of muslim )

    During 60’s and 70’s and early 80’s the malays will visit and have food cooked in your house. How many Malays do visit your open house, whole heartedly? I’m tamil school educated and i don’t have any ill feeling about them then ( because they too very friendly before) but now i prefer to keep to myself. They don’t have the openess they had before.

    With them you can’t talk openly any issue regarding religion, but they can whack your religion, but you should’nt talk about their’s, very sensitive.

    What do you expect when the young muslim students have tudong and prefers not to talk much to other races. will that going to help much on integration. Will the religious class during the school going to help other race on integration. Don’t you think during the school the religious issues going to belittle others race.!

    For me i don’t think i want to send my young child to sk school, because every assembly they will play religious verses, and during the class they play the five prayers using the speakers. This thing will corrupt our young children, and this thing will make them to believe to follow what they hear. This thing is very confusing for young mind! Can you separate religion and studies.? Please separate religion from school, then i will agree with you to close all the vernacular school.

    Mr Murugavell, to me the separation between the races started because of religion, unfairness on selection for sports, scholarship, job, share, contracts, double standard and many many more. Most of the goverment staff think gov job are entirely for Malays because they are the son of the soil!? Kalau kau tak suka kau pulang ke negara asal kaulah!?

    Will that help you much on integration between races. There many more i can quote but i think your view defer then other malaysian. Gov have demoralise other races/community in many form which our race base party did’nt help much to our community.

    Thank you, have a nice day to your self.

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  13. Vijay Kumar Murugavell wrote on Apr 16, 2009 at 6:06 pm

    Dear Hiroshi Yama,

    Thank you for sharing your perspective, I have no doubt that what you say about intimidation of non -malays in national type school is true, I was born in the latter part of the ’60’s, and went to national type schools in the 70″s and 80’s so I experienced first hand what you say about “the malays will visit and have food cooked in your house”, and many other sweet memories of true muhibbah.

    We could jokingly call each other ” keling mabuk” , “cina babi” and “melayu belacan” laugh about it while maintaining our friendship and caramederie.

    We must remember that above figure applies to primary school, for secondary school most Indians and chinese end up in a national type school.

    After 6 years at an impressionable age among people of their own ethnic bacground and language these 13 year olds suddenly face a culture shock. So do the malay students who suddenly saw more chinese and indian students so they tend to keep to their own ethnic group.

    Unscrupulous politicians hungry for power brainwash the parents and teachers who inturn further indoctrinate these students exarcebating a vicious cycle.

    Having said that I respectfully disagree that religion is the main cause, it is a secondary sympthom that escalated and caused a further domino effect. In the mid 80’s the sacred subject of Malay rights and article 153 was brought up by the non malays for the first time since May 13th 1969, this was to culminate in the operasi lalang of 1988, when race was questioned they needed a new area that was sacrosanct and could not be questioned thus the rise of religious fundamentalism.

    It was also a one upmanship by UMNO who were losing Malay support to PAS. If religion was the main issue UMNO would have long ago admitted KIMMA (Indian muslim association) – every election KIMMA works hard for BN and sometimes act more Malay than UMNO but still were not allowed to join UMNO.

    So in my opinion its primarily race , religion only plays a secondary role.

    Vernacular schools far predated this religious insurgence, Estate vernacular schools were instituted from British times to appease workers who insisted on it as a conduit to transmit tamil culture, I dont want to go into the lengthy history but offer a link to a 110 page thesis worth considering, read page 94 onwards – http://books.google.com.my/books?id=HyEVAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA105&lpg=PA105&dq=the+formation+of+vernacular+schools+in+malaysia&source=bl&ots=nyN2x8WTU2&sig=2gIMuda-sxd65XNCHSLpAK_SG2M&hl=en&ei=QrzmSc2bDM-HkQXHw4SfBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7#PPA94,M1

    Coercion or threatening non-malay students toward the late 80’s is a result of UMNO propoganda, that benefitted them by widening the rift even more, remember the more polarized the more the demand for vernacular schools and by extension race based parties.

    So religion was used by unscrupulous politicians as a tool, bigoted teachers who were staunch UMNO supporters got into the act, BTN(Biro tata negara) used all sorts of despicable propoganda to sow tha politics of hate. I reiterate again that it is a divide and rule strategy they learnt from the colonial masters.

    Consider this :-

    In 1999 the Malays angered by Anwars persecution voted in droves for PAS. Ironically the Chinese fearing PAS based on UMNO propaganda threw their support behind BN so did the Indians.
    So it was more the fear of PAS than the love of UMNO.

    In 2004 tired after 22 years of hawkish Mahathirism many were elated by the dovish Pak Lah and his promise for reforms. The opposition was trounced while BN controlled 92% of Parliament, the UMNOputras took this as an agenda to advance their narrow interests arrogantly.

    On Mar 08,2008 – there was a broad based swing where unprecedentedly Malays voted DAP, Indians & Chinese voting PAS, and in many areas the disillusioned rakyat voted for anything but BN.

    Many people I know even laughed at me when I even suggested on new years day 01 Jan 2008 that in the next General election BN could lose its two thirds majority. After it happened quite a number of people told me they voted BN anyway as they thought the opposition did not stand a chance, some especially the older folk voted BN out of fear that UMNO may create another May 13th style riot if the opposition made too much gains.

    The swing lost its full momentum because of ambivalent fence sitters who still voted the BAN because of complacence , fear or both. In 1999 the Chinese fear of PAS saved BN, in 2008 it was Sabah and Sarawaks fear that BN would punish them by withholding development funds.

    Both times they were saved by politics of fear sowed by BN, but they are so delusional they think that they were loved and the opposition misled the people to hate them. Once the lies are unmasked, politics of fear will no longer work as they say FEAR is an acronym for False Evidence Appearing Real.

    I dont know how much as you put it my views differ from other Malaysians, but I know that nothing will change if the way we do things do not change.

    I am however glad that you acknowledge that a race based party like MIC did not help the Indian community. This is hardly surprising when MCA that claims to represent the chinese community that is triple the size of the Indian community and holding at least 70% of the economic pie, yet are politically neutered by UMNO.

    Its a jungle law where might is right. We have to change from the race based model to a cause based model.

    Best Regards
    Vijay Kumar Murugavell

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